[Openal] Status of OpenAL 1.1 on OS X

[Paul Ossenbruggen]

Hi Bill,

Sorry my message was confusing, I meant convey that the  
implementation was 1.1 and that the headers were 1.0. I did not mean  
to imply anything else or put words in your mouth. I was trying to  
relay what you told me to Tom (pehaps poorly).

Thank you for your response, this clarifies where things are greatly.

- Paul
On Aug 1, 2006, at 2:33 PM, William Stewart wrote:

> Paul,
>
> On 01/08/2006, at 2:02 PM, Paul Ossenbruggen wrote:
>
>> Hi Tom,
>>
>> That is what I thought would happen, that we would get new  
>> frameworks with the 10.4.7 update but that does not seem to be the  
>> case. The implemetation is written to the 1.1 spec but frameworks  
>> are still 1.0 (at least when I updated).
>
> NO - as I said previously, headers are not updated in system  
> updates, just the binaries.
>
> The binary - the OpenAL.framework that is installed in 10.4.7 is a  
> complete 1.1 OpenAL.  The headers are not updated, so the headers  
> are the pre-existing 1.0 headers. Headers are updated with the  
> release of new versions of the developer tools - I don't know  
> exactly when this will be, so I can't tell you when you'll see these.
>
> We understand that this is a confusing and less-than-ideal  
> situation - we are also in the process of updating the sources with  
> the new 1.1 sources.
>
> Oh, and the support for OAL 1.1 with 10.4.7 is NOT an unannounced  
> feature - its been stated clearly a couple of times both here and  
> on the CoreAudio API list - and on other parts of Apple's web site.
>
>> Kind of a strange state of affairs, in my opinion. This was  
>> confirmed by the OpenAL FAQ  on Apple site (actually that mentions  
>> OpenAL 1.2!) and by Bill Stewart the Apple engineer who responded  
>> on the CoreAudio list.
>
> No, this is not what I "confirmed" with you - what I stated above  
> is what I confirmed with you.
>
> Bill
>
>>
>> I agree wtith Brian Barnes that we will probably not see anything  
>> until after the Apple Developer's conference next week. Apple  
>> tends to be tight lipped about things that are unannounced but I  
>> thought that they might be willing to talk about it since they  
>> already have announced the 1.1 implementation in 10.4.7
>>
>> - P
>>
>>
>> On Aug 1, 2006, at 11:11 AM, Tom Bunch wrote:
>>
>>> Once you've updated to 10.4.7, /System/Library/Frameworks/ 
>>> OpenAL.framework will be OpenAL 1.1.
>>>
>>> I've noticed, though, that the #defines for AL_EXT_OFFSET are  
>>> still missing from the headers.  In fact, so are the ones for  
>>> AL_EXT_LINEAR_DISTANCE and AL_EXT_EXPONENT_DISTANCE.  I have done  
>>> nothing to confirm that these extensions actually work now.
>>>
>>> -Tom
>>>
>>> On Aug 1, 2006, at 10:51 AM, Paul Ossenbruggen wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am new to the list but I have looked at the archives and could  
>>>> not find a definitive answer to this. Apple's CoreAudio list  
>>>> sent me here.
>>>>
>>>> I am interested in using the OpenAL 1.1 implementation which is  
>>>> in Tiger 10.4.7 update.
>>>>
>>>> Since the CoreAudio SDK has not been updated, and the headers  
>>>> are still 1.0, how do I go about calling the new OpenAL 1.1  
>>>> functions under OS X? Where do I get the newer frameworks? Do I  
>>>> need to build it from source?
>>>>
>>>> I am not in a big rush to use it. I can wait for an official  
>>>> release if that is recommended.
>>>>
>>>> - Paul
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